Talk:Books - Revision history

imported>Giles: /* Unlocking the Reading of Books? */

2024-06-07T21:09:03Z

Unlocking the Reading of Books?

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	Is there a requirement that must be met before a player can read a book? I got one digging an artifact spot early in the game, but cannot read it. (Or is that a bug?) [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 03:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)		Is there a requirement that must be met before a player can read a book? I got one digging an artifact spot early in the game, but cannot read it. (Or is that a bug?) [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 03:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	:I've added a paragraph to the page explaining how to read a book, similar to [[Secret Notes]]. Unlike Lost Books, they have to be actively read by the player. I hope this is the source of the issue for you, Giles! [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 19:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)		:I've added a paragraph to the page explaining how to read a book, similar to [[Secret Notes]]. Unlike Lost Books, they have to be actively read by the player. I hope this is the source of the issue for you, Giles! [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 19:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
			::Many thanks! I have read books before, and thought I had done the process correctly again, but apparently I got some detail wrong, because it worked this time. Or perhaps there was some game load glitch that prevented it the first time, and a reload has fixed it up. Seems unlikely. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 21:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

imported>Margotbean at 19:48, 7 June 2024

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	Is there a requirement that must be met before a player can read a book? I got one digging an artifact spot early in the game, but cannot read it. (Or is that a bug?) [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 03:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)		Is there a requirement that must be met before a player can read a book? I got one digging an artifact spot early in the game, but cannot read it. (Or is that a bug?) [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 03:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
			:I've added a paragraph to the page explaining how to read a book, similar to [[Secret Notes]]. Unlike Lost Books, they have to be actively read by the player. I hope this is the source of the issue for you, Giles! [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 19:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

imported>Giles: /* Unlocking the Reading of Books? */ new section

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Unlocking the Reading of Books?: new section

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	: I'd recommend changing the "Location" column to "Source" in the Power Books table, and just eliminating that column in the Skills Books table. I agree it's a hefty list for the latter, and each entry is particular to the individual book. Why do we supply a link to the table article if we don't expect the user to go there to look things up? It's easy enough for them to do, and avoids the tendency to replicate information between articles. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 00:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)		: I'd recommend changing the "Location" column to "Source" in the Power Books table, and just eliminating that column in the Skills Books table. I agree it's a hefty list for the latter, and each entry is particular to the individual book. Why do we supply a link to the table article if we don't expect the user to go there to look things up? It's easy enough for them to do, and avoids the tendency to replicate information between articles. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 00:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

			== Unlocking the Reading of Books? ==

			Is there a requirement that must be met before a player can read a book? I got one digging an artifact spot early in the game, but cannot read it. (Or is that a bug?) [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 03:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

imported>Giles: /* Location column in Skill Book table */

2024-04-17T00:31:55Z

Location column in Skill Book table

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	Do we need to have the "Location" column in the Skill Books table? It's a bit bloated since the regular 5 skill books can be obtained in many ways. Perhaps we could remove the "Location" column from that table and keep those details on the separate pages, or specify the common obtaining methods in the paragraph above, with exceptions noted in the table. [[User:Bluestblur\|Bluestblur]] ([[User talk:Bluestblur\|talk]]) 16:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)		Do we need to have the "Location" column in the Skill Books table? It's a bit bloated since the regular 5 skill books can be obtained in many ways. Perhaps we could remove the "Location" column from that table and keep those details on the separate pages, or specify the common obtaining methods in the paragraph above, with exceptions noted in the table. [[User:Bluestblur\|Bluestblur]] ([[User talk:Bluestblur\|talk]]) 16:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

			: I'd recommend changing the "Location" column to "Source" in the Power Books table, and just eliminating that column in the Skills Books table. I agree it's a hefty list for the latter, and each entry is particular to the individual book. Why do we supply a link to the table article if we don't expect the user to go there to look things up? It's easy enough for them to do, and avoids the tendency to replicate information between articles. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 00:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

imported>Bluestblur: /* Location column in Skill Book table */ new section

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Location column in Skill Book table: new section

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	: In my last edit, my reading of existing text indicated that there was no additional re-reading benefit for any of the skills books, so I left that out. If that's in error, I'll depend on someone else to correct it for now. I'd leave the article lead as is, though, because points still need mentioning there, and what's there is all the generic info about them. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 17:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)		: In my last edit, my reading of existing text indicated that there was no additional re-reading benefit for any of the skills books, so I left that out. If that's in error, I'll depend on someone else to correct it for now. I'd leave the article lead as is, though, because points still need mentioning there, and what's there is all the generic info about them. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 17:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

			== Location column in Skill Book table ==

			Do we need to have the "Location" column in the Skill Books table? It's a bit bloated since the regular 5 skill books can be obtained in many ways. Perhaps we could remove the "Location" column from that table and keep those details on the separate pages, or specify the common obtaining methods in the paragraph above, with exceptions noted in the table. [[User:Bluestblur\|Bluestblur]] ([[User talk:Bluestblur\|talk]]) 16:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

imported>Giles: /* Points */

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Points

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	2) I'll make an edit to haul the general points issues up to the article lead, paragraph 1. That will leave specifics to be mentioned in their relevant places without undue repetition and complication. All in the interest of brevity and clarity everywhere. But that will cause any existing exception to Queen of Sauce to disappear. Need to know if it needs a special mention. I'm unable to check that out right now. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 20:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		2) I'll make an edit to haul the general points issues up to the article lead, paragraph 1. That will leave specifics to be mentioned in their relevant places without undue repetition and complication. All in the interest of brevity and clarity everywhere. But that will cause any existing exception to Queen of Sauce to disappear. Need to know if it needs a special mention. I'm unable to check that out right now. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 20:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

			: In my last edit, my reading of existing text indicated that there was no additional re-reading benefit for any of the skills books, so I left that out. If that's in error, I'll depend on someone else to correct it for now. I'd leave the article lead as is, though, because points still need mentioning there, and what's there is all the generic info about them. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 17:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

imported>Giles: /* Points */ new section

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Points: new section

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	:Only 1 book gives cooking recipes, get rid of it and make the paragraph more generic. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 18:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		:Only 1 book gives cooking recipes, get rid of it and make the paragraph more generic. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 18:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
	:Ah, Giles, you've added info whilst I was replying. My previous reply addresses point 1, I agree with point 2. I was thinking the same thing. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 19:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		:Ah, Giles, you've added info whilst I was replying. My previous reply addresses point 1, I agree with point 2. I was thinking the same thing. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 19:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

			== Points ==

			Since it now appears that all books can give points, I find that the info about it is inappropriately distributed around the article. Especially so, since points are not just of one kind. So:

			1) Should I now take it that a re-reading of the Queen of Sauce cookbook produces points as with other books (non-specific skill)?

			2) I'll make an edit to haul the general points issues up to the article lead, paragraph 1. That will leave specifics to be mentioned in their relevant places without undue repetition and complication. All in the interest of brevity and clarity everywhere. But that will cause any existing exception to Queen of Sauce to disappear. Need to know if it needs a special mention. I'm unable to check that out right now. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 20:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

imported>Giles: /* Questioning an "error correction" edit, as to correctness */

2024-04-08T19:26:53Z

Questioning an "error correction" edit, as to correctness

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	::::I do agree that there were (and probably still are) places where the page, especially wording, can be further improved. Feel free to improve any wording as you see fit. It's very very unlikely I will disagree with the wording change. Again, apologies if my reply seemed harsh. [[User:User314159\|User314159]] ([[User talk:User314159\|talk]]) 18:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		::::I do agree that there were (and probably still are) places where the page, especially wording, can be further improved. Feel free to improve any wording as you see fit. It's very very unlikely I will disagree with the wording change. Again, apologies if my reply seemed harsh. [[User:User314159\|User314159]] ([[User talk:User314159\|talk]]) 18:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

			:::::Thanks. Glad there are no ill feelings. I saw nothing harsh in your reply, but was only concerned if I'd been too direct. These days, it's hard to tell just how others are responding to that approach. All's good. :) [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 19:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

	== Article lead ==		== Article lead ==

imported>Margotbean: /* Article lead */

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Article lead

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	2) In my view, the first paragraph is just one sentence, telling about what the primary impacts of books are. The second paragraph ought to be just more general or background material: second paragraph for secondary material. Therefore, "Books can be obtained in a variety of ways." ought to begin the second paragraph, joined with gifting, a secondary purpose. Then if someone reads only the first paragraph, they get the meat. The rest is less informative, hence separated. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 18:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		2) In my view, the first paragraph is just one sentence, telling about what the primary impacts of books are. The second paragraph ought to be just more general or background material: second paragraph for secondary material. Therefore, "Books can be obtained in a variety of ways." ought to begin the second paragraph, joined with gifting, a secondary purpose. Then if someone reads only the first paragraph, they get the meat. The rest is less informative, hence separated. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 18:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
	:Only 1 book gives cooking recipes, get rid of it and make the paragraph more generic. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 18:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		:Only 1 book gives cooking recipes, get rid of it and make the paragraph more generic. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 18:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Ah, Giles, you've added info whilst I was replying. My previous reply addresses point 1, I agree with point 2. I was thinking the same thing. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 19:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

imported>Margotbean at 18:59, 8 April 2024

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	2) In my view, the first paragraph is just one sentence, telling about what the primary impacts of books are. The second paragraph ought to be just more general or background material: second paragraph for secondary material. Therefore, "Books can be obtained in a variety of ways." ought to begin the second paragraph, joined with gifting, a secondary purpose. Then if someone reads only the first paragraph, they get the meat. The rest is less informative, hence separated. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 18:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		2) In my view, the first paragraph is just one sentence, telling about what the primary impacts of books are. The second paragraph ought to be just more general or background material: second paragraph for secondary material. Therefore, "Books can be obtained in a variety of ways." ought to begin the second paragraph, joined with gifting, a secondary purpose. Then if someone reads only the first paragraph, they get the meat. The rest is less informative, hence separated. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 18:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Only 1 book gives cooking recipes, get rid of it and make the paragraph more generic. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 18:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

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	Is there a requirement that must be met before a player can read a book? I got one digging an artifact spot early in the game, but cannot read it. (Or is that a bug?) [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 03:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)		Is there a requirement that must be met before a player can read a book? I got one digging an artifact spot early in the game, but cannot read it. (Or is that a bug?) [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 03:32, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
	:I've added a paragraph to the page explaining how to read a book, similar to [[Secret Notes]]. Unlike Lost Books, they have to be actively read by the player. I hope this is the source of the issue for you, Giles! [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 19:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)		:I've added a paragraph to the page explaining how to read a book, similar to [[Secret Notes]]. Unlike Lost Books, they have to be actively read by the player. I hope this is the source of the issue for you, Giles! [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 19:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
			::Many thanks! I have read books before, and thought I had done the process correctly again, but apparently I got some detail wrong, because it worked this time. Or perhaps there was some game load glitch that prevented it the first time, and a reload has fixed it up. Seems unlikely. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 21:08, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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	2) In my view, the first paragraph is just one sentence, telling about what the primary impacts of books are. The second paragraph ought to be just more general or background material: second paragraph for secondary material. Therefore, "Books can be obtained in a variety of ways." ought to begin the second paragraph, joined with gifting, a secondary purpose. Then if someone reads only the first paragraph, they get the meat. The rest is less informative, hence separated. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 18:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		2) In my view, the first paragraph is just one sentence, telling about what the primary impacts of books are. The second paragraph ought to be just more general or background material: second paragraph for secondary material. Therefore, "Books can be obtained in a variety of ways." ought to begin the second paragraph, joined with gifting, a secondary purpose. Then if someone reads only the first paragraph, they get the meat. The rest is less informative, hence separated. [[User:Giles\|Giles]] ([[User talk:Giles\|talk]]) 18:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
	:Only 1 book gives cooking recipes, get rid of it and make the paragraph more generic. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 18:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)		:Only 1 book gives cooking recipes, get rid of it and make the paragraph more generic. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 18:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
			:Ah, Giles, you've added info whilst I was replying. My previous reply addresses point 1, I agree with point 2. I was thinking the same thing. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 19:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)