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	:My reasoning is to keep crafted items' pages consistent and avoid bloat (''i.e.,'' duplication of information). I've placed your table in user space at [[User:Techhead7890/TapperProducts]] for your convenience. Feel free to change it and add any notes you find personally helpful there. Thanks! [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 16:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)		:My reasoning is to keep crafted items' pages consistent and avoid bloat (''i.e.,'' duplication of information). I've placed your table in user space at [[User:Techhead7890/TapperProducts]] for your convenience. Feel free to change it and add any notes you find personally helpful there. Thanks! [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 16:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

	::To summarise, some of the problems with the current setup that I've found are: 1) that they are one of the few [[artisan goods]] with craftable products (as far as I can tell cheese, cloth, oil, and honey are the four others, compared to 21 which have no craft uses), making the fact the tapped products are used in crafting equipment non-obvious, and more distinct from the tables used on other equipment pages; 2) that they don't have a page or section of their own to discuss them as a group other than the current Tapper equipment page, as ''all three'' of the products share the fact they're used in crafting equipment; 3) and the final one is that like with [[crops]], it's useful to look forward and see what the crops (or products) can be used for and compare those uses before committing to them, which is a distinct processing and a distinct use of the information as an overview, rather than just duplication – I think it's important readers can understand what the products can do at a glance, rather than having to open three separate pages to get a full understanding of their choice. I hope this outlines my reasoning for organising the information in the extra column, even though it's a little different to the other equipment pages, and also that the method of organisation is intrinsically useful because of the ability to compare the items.		::To summarise, some of the problems with the current setup that I've found are: 1) that they are one of the few [[Artisan Goods\|artisan goods]] with craftable products (as far as I can tell cheese, cloth, oil, and honey are the four others, compared to 21 which have no craft uses), making the fact the tapped products are used in crafting equipment non-obvious, and more distinct from the tables used on other equipment pages; 2) that they don't have a page or section of their own to discuss them as a group other than the current Tapper equipment page, as ''all three'' of the products share the fact they're used in crafting equipment; 3) and the final one is that like with [[crops]], it's useful to look forward and see what the crops (or products) can be used for and compare those uses before committing to them, which is a distinct processing and a distinct use of the information as an overview, rather than just duplication – I think it's important readers can understand what the products can do at a glance, rather than having to open three separate pages to get a full understanding of their choice. I hope this outlines my reasoning for organising the information in the extra column, even though it's a little different to the other equipment pages, and also that the method of organisation is intrinsically useful because of the ability to compare the items.

	::I originally thought that one way to resolve this would be to follow the model of the item-group pages I listed above (Fish and Crops) and move the craft information and discussion about the products to [[artisan goods]] to keep it separate from the equipment, while still fulfilling the purpose of having a group page to discuss and compare the products together. However, I've also just noted that many of the product lists there are actually transcluded from the relevant Equipment pages using the <code>#lst:</code> command. This is obviously a bit of a pickle in that both pages would have to match, but ''if the uses are listed on Crops and that is '''not''' considered duplication of individual pages'', I actually think it's more consistent to have the uses listed for the artisan goods page also. As a result, I'd like to keep the added column in the table in mainspace (and potentially also add "used in" to the four other artisan goods I listed with craft uses).		::I originally thought that one way to resolve this would be to follow the model of the item-group pages I listed above (Fish and Crops) and move the craft information and discussion about the products to [[Artisan Goods\|artisan goods]] to keep it separate from the equipment, while still fulfilling the purpose of having a group page to discuss and compare the products together. However, I've also just noted that many of the product lists there are actually transcluded from the relevant Equipment pages using the <code>#lst:</code> command. This is obviously a bit of a pickle in that both pages would have to match, but ''if the uses are listed on Crops and that is '''not''' considered duplication of individual pages'', I actually think it's more consistent to have the uses listed for the artisan goods page also. As a result, I'd like to keep the added column in the table in mainspace (and potentially also add "used in" to the four other artisan goods I listed with craft uses).

	:: There are a few alternatives; it would be possible to keep the tables separate and keep different non-transcluded versions on the [[tapper]] equipment page and [[artisan goods]] group page, but that would likely be a maintenance burden; there is another alternative possibility which is to add a section to [[Trees]] outlining the tapper and useful products together in brief prose. However both of those strike me as perhaps more unnecessary duplication than reworking the table. In conclusion, I've explained some reasons for including the information in mainspace, such as the usefulness of keeping the information on multiple pages as an overview, and strongly ask you to reconsider keeping the "Used in" column in the table, but please let me know what option works best. Regards, [[User:Techhead7890\|Techhead7890]] ([[User talk:Techhead7890\|talk]]) 04:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)		:: There are a few alternatives; it would be possible to keep the tables separate and keep different non-transcluded versions on the [[tapper]] equipment page and [[Artisan Goods\|artisan goods]] group page, but that would likely be a maintenance burden; there is another alternative possibility which is to add a section to [[Trees]] outlining the tapper and useful products together in brief prose. However both of those strike me as perhaps more unnecessary duplication than reworking the table. In conclusion, I've explained some reasons for including the information in mainspace, such as the usefulness of keeping the information on multiple pages as an overview, and strongly ask you to reconsider keeping the "Used in" column in the table, but please let me know what option works best. Regards, [[User:Techhead7890\|Techhead7890]] ([[User talk:Techhead7890\|talk]]) 04:03, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

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	:::Can confirm. Installed a mod to get me down 77k+ levels and that's where the quarry mines were. Margotbean if you have time you might want to confirm this yourself as well. [[User:User314159\|User314159]] ([[User talk:User314159\|talk]]) 23:17, 29 December 2021 (UTC)		:::Can confirm. Installed a mod to get me down 77k+ levels and that's where the quarry mines were. Margotbean if you have time you might want to confirm this yourself as well. [[User:User314159\|User314159]] ([[User talk:User314159\|talk]]) 23:17, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
	::::Thanks for verifying that! Updated page. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 14:07, 30 December 2021 (UTC)		::::Thanks for verifying that! Updated page. [[User:Margotbean\|margotbean]] ([[User talk:Margotbean\|talk]]) 14:07, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

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